Avicii vs Leona Lewis Part II: what happens next?

Avicii vs Leona

By now you’ve no doubt heard about the controversy surrounding Leona Lewis’ track “Collide,” but now that some of the smoke around the original story has finally cleared, we’re back with more food for thought. We all know that Avicii legally secured the rights for the original sample from Penguin Cafe Orchestra, and when Leona’s camp approached him for rights to the track, Avicii was in no position to license it as the release was already scheduled and complete. Even after sending Leona a completely finished track with the Autumn Rowe “Fade Into Darkness” vocals over it, Syco was ruthless in its intent to use the track, and when AtNight refused even more generous offers, all lines of communication between the two camps were torn down.

That’s mostly a rehash of what we’ve heard up to now, but what we’ve really been curious about is what Avicii planned to do next. Keep reading for a look at the situation.

Syco, which is backed by Sony Music, is a much larger entity than AtNight, which represents Avicii, who hasn’t even been signed to a major label yet (individual releases are signed, but not Tim himself). AtNight is a small management company with Avicii (and more recently Cazzette) as clients, and it probably doesn’t have the money nor the manpower of a major record label to pursue a legal case that could drag on for years in court. Not to mention the fact that if Avicii and crew didn’t win the case, the young company might not be able to take the blow.

We’re told that Avicii continues to focus on nothing but his music, and that “Fade Into Darkness” was just the first in a string of big upcoming releases, the next of which is scheduled to be “Le7els.” Getting involved in a legal pursuit would most likely mean a major distraction for Ash Pournouri, Avicii’s manager and executive producer, and could detract from his ability to work hand in hand with him on current and future tracks until the legal stuff was out of the way.

It seems that Syco and even Leona herself have tried to cover this poor judgment call by crediting Avicii on the production, and going as far as to indicate that they have agreed to split royalties. However, sources tell us that this is most definitely not the case, and that AtNight has not even heard Leona’s track in any official capacity, but only what’s surfaced online. There are no legal agreements for use of the track, and Syco’s silence on the matter is suspect for sure. In response to a Tweet by Leona just this morning, Avicii responds “@leonalewismusic thanks for accusing me of lying and speaking on my behalf.” He also asks for a name of the person who supposedly signed off on the situation in the first place.

Decisions on Syco’s part in the promotion of Leona’s track also set off some red flags, and if there had been a deal in place, Avicii for sure would’ve required a hold on their release, as “Fade Into Darkness” was much closer to it. Combine that with an incredibly aggressive marketing campaign by Sony and Leona on BBC Radio 1 and on Twitter a full two months before release date, and you can see why the who situation looks fishy.

Unfortunately, it seems like like justice may never be served in this case of David versus Goliath, where money and influence mean more than talent and originality. We’ve still yet to get responses to any of our numerous emails to Sony Music, and its silence on the matter beyond crediting Avicii in the eleventh hour is the extent of its public statements. We’re not sure we’ll ever really know the complete tale of what went on behind the scenes, but this game of “he said, she said” has got to come to an end soon.

PS: We thought we’d share this mashup of the two tracks just so you can see how incredibly similar they are. In its reproduction of the original track, Sandy Vee copied melodies that were 100% original contributions by Avicii. Listen for yourself.

Avicii vs Leona Lewis – Penguins Collide Into Darkness

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  • Anonymous

    I think the saddest part about all of this is how good that mashp sounds…had SyCo and Leona gone about this the correct way…it might have made for a nice duet. unfortunately, ever since that douche got the boot from idol, hes been on a warpath to try and seem relevant still, when in fact nobody cares less about simon cowell any longer… and I’m pretty sure I had forgotten all about Leona Lewis until this whole thing came about.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=772515346 Luis Landas

    “Unfortunately, it seems like like justice may never be served in this case of David versus Goliath, where money and influence mean more than talent and originality.”
    The melody in question wasn’t even written by either of them, so for whose ‘talent and originality’ are we all mourning again?

  • http://www.facebook.com/bigbooi Joachim Pram Helden

    Whats up with Flo Rida – Good Feelin’? (levels)

  • http://engadget.com/editor/jacob-schulman Jacob Schulman

    Whether or not Sandy Vee and Avicii both sampled the same original score by Penguin Cafe Orchestra, they both ended up with virtually the exact same finished product from it. That’s where the originality comes into play — “Penguin” has been around since the Essential Mix in December.

  • Blunt

    I’ll probably get hated on this, but all legal/moral bullshit aside, I actually like the leona lewis vocals a lot more than the cheesy euro trance vocals avicii picked

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=772515346 Luis Landas

    i agree, i mean, when it comes down to it, all both of them did was attach a vocal track onto the instrumental (and don’t just say that avicii made it a progressive house BANGER because a drum track and a few extra notes here and there doesn’t make the song his). and i’d rather listen to a fully lyricized pop song than be told hold someone’s hand and fade into darkness over and over again.

  • http://www.roncasseldesign.com Ron Cassel

    I think her lyrics are incredibly awkward. For the talented vocalist that she is, she really didn’t push herself on collide. It’s really flat.

  • http://www.roncasseldesign.com Ron Cassel

    I think the point is that Avicii did the right thing and got the rights to reproduce that melody in his song. Leona, Syco, Sandy Vee, and company just stole it because they think they’re big enough to do so and get away with it.

    If you ask me, and I know you didn’t, I’ve thought Simon Cowell was a piece of garbage since American Idol first came out. He walks through life acting like a stuck up arrogant asshole and people just accept it and say “Oh that just how Simon is.” 
    I don’t buy that shit for a second. One day his years of arrogant bullying will bite him in the ass.

    Sorry. I got majorly caught up in a rant there haha.

  • Richio

    Nah. I prefer the slight european accent :D Love it.

  • jj

    another theft.

  • http://www.facebook.com/cody.ste Cody Thrash Stein

    Avicii produced the original instrumental you moron…

  • jj

    agree with everything, together this is a brilliant song, on her own, her vocals are scrappy at best. but you really need to re-assess your view on Simon Cowell. He’s about to bring out X-Factor USA, which is set to be pretty much the biggest TV show ever, just like it is in the UK. He’s worth about $1 billion, and still controls some of the biggest musical acts on the palent. He is very much still relevant.

  • Jonaas

    fade into darkness is so much more better!! 

  • Anonymous

    Avicii all the way, he is the real talent. She is just a wannabe big pop artist that like others have said ‘thinks she can just get away with it because of more money and what not’ 

  • Fuckleonalewis

    this is good publicity for Leona Lewis cause i didnt even know who that talentless fuck was before this

  • Turner

    The two verses are completely different, you only hear “Fade Into Darkness” right when the hook comes in

  • Raul

    Avicii just linked this page on his facebook… let the onslaught of fans begin!

  • fuckyouleona

    uh… you cant even fucking understand her. shes a dumb cunt.

  • Matt

    as much as my alliance is to avicii – regardless of the genre of music, just for the principle of the matter – that mashup they posted on the bottom is actually a musthave!!!! kinda want to find a dL link for it

  • Leona ‘ Trash Cunt ‘ Lewis

    SyCo is a label founded Simon Cowell or something like that? Says it all. Nice tune Avicii, shitty vocal from Leona ‘trash bag’ Lewis.

  • Heppyau

    Well it will just end up a large battle of who sells more tracks Avicii or the other chick, no doubt Avicii will cause it’s a fucking hot track.

  • Djmif

    the mashup is better than both versions separately!

  • Fatjosaphine

    ur english is so much more better

  • Hp-ps

    leona lewis should be decapacitated

  • Djmif

    the original is called perpetuum mobile by penguin cafe orchestra, showing that hardly anything is original today.  Personally I prefer the female vocal that Avicii has been playing at his gigs (not the leona lewis one), it’s on youtube.

  • Thejoshkid

    no issue with liking one better, but its not trance brah :D

  • LulViewSource
  • Djmif

    direct download link, http://www.mediafire.com/?tc9uj52gtq69qby

  • Rock_Smash

    he’s still a piece of shit tho.

  • Princeali

    I LOVE AVICII…..HE JUST TAKES FOREVER TO RELEASE TRACKS SO THIS ALLOWS OTHER MAJOR LABELS TO SNEAK THEM OUT…… AVICII LEAKS MORE THAN A RUNNING FAUCET

  • Dp

    Well the sound engineer who worked on Colliide says that he worked with Avicii and Leona on the track even though they never met. So fuck knows who’s telling the truth.

    One things for sure he will make a killing on the Collide royalties and with his current stance, he can remain a cool kid whilst quietly smiling as the money going into the bank.

    The one who’s really been shafted in all this mess is Leona Lewis.

  • Irporkey

    I agree, if you’re gonna steal someone’s music, it better be up to par

  • Irporkey

    i think i know what youre talking about.. those vocals are on his new track
    “don’t give up on us”

  • David Krul

    Screw Sony Music and Leona Lewis , Robbin Avicii ‘s Talented track , You all should be ashamed… Money Hungry F****

  • http://kevinkaiser.tumblr.com Kevin Kaiser

    That’s true. I bet Leona had no idea who Avicii was until the song was published.

  • http://www.facebook.com/NikdeNeversMilanovic Nikola Milanović

    maybe now they can be friends

  • Blunt

    Never said it was trance brah read the post more carefully.  I just said that the vocals reminded me of cheesy euro trance vocals a la Armin Van Buuren or ATB

    In all honesty I’m definitely on Avicii’s side in this whole dispute, but I think a lot of people as fans are letting their bias/outrage blind them when it comes to comparing the two versions.  In my opinion Lewis’s vocals are just much more powerful and moving relative to the corny Fade Into Darkness version.

    One thing I think we can all agree on though is that Avicii should have released it months ago, as an instrumental, and allowed DJs to pick which acapella they prefer to edit over it.

    Just my 2cents

  • BOOM

    Avicii’s idea, Ash cleared the sample and Sony just wanted to use it cause it was so brilliant. Anyone can steal music Leona isn’t even that talent. I’m really surprised to see Sony be so unoriginal an just take this an use it as there own. This really puts the ATnight crew in a really bad spot. I really hope this gets settled and the REAL producers get credit for this masterpiece. Not only that Leona’s versions sounds shit. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=772515346 Luis Landas

    by ‘instrumental’ i meant the original melody from the penguin cafe orchestra, i already acknowledged that technically he turned it into a dance track when he added all the bells and whistles. there’s really no need to get rude cody boy

  • houseisgoodmusic

    avicii did release it months ago, under the name “Penguin” BBC Radio 1 DJ’s (pete tong) (annie mac) and others have been playing it for months. Check your facts!

  • Blunt

    and the stupid replies continue… Avicii NEVER officially released Penguin, if he did we would be able to buy it on beatport, amazon, itunes etc.  There is a difference between actually officially releasing a track and sending a promo out to BBC Radio 1 bro.  So no, check YOUR facts before you try to act like you know what your talking about, smart ass.

  • http://www.backtofeeling.tumblr.com/ DANYL108

    “Leona isn’t even that talent” I think you meant talented, but yes, she is. You’re deaf if you think otherwise. Literally.

  • http://www.backtofeeling.tumblr.com/ DANYL108

    How is Leona’s vocal on Collide “shitty”? And how can you call her a trash bag like this is some personal feud between yourself and her? Get a fucking life, and a grip on reality.

  • http://www.backtofeeling.tumblr.com/ DANYL108

    Absolute bullshit. She worked harder than Avicii ever will, to live her dream. Her last album’s sales are the perfect example of how much of a generic “big pop artist” she ISN’T.

  • http://www.backtofeeling.tumblr.com/ DANYL108

    Well said, Blunt.

  • Chris_sirhc90

    How can you know she worked harder than avicii, do you know both of them and how much effort each puts into their work? Im sure they both work hard

  • And1

    talentless you ass, stupid idiot

  • Anonymous

    Sorry but ‘Absolute Bullshit” to your response. I’m pretty positive..no actually positive that you do not have a personal relationship with Leona so how could you possibly know that she has worked harder than Avicii? So Avicii isn’t living his dream? I mean really..who are you to say that?! Avicii is very much respected and I know for a fact would not have given her permission for penguin especially to become mainstream. I can care less about her sales and I know I speak for many others but obviously she has this generic “big pop artist” because she has to steal from one of the biggest dj’s today. Avicii has had ‘Penguin’ out for awhile, and yes I also first heard it from BBC Radio 1 Pete Tong. You will have your opinion as will I but I have Avicii’s back and Leona Lewis stole his song and did NOT get it approved.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TSP2BWCLYQYQPI3M474HJBBXQI Svz

    U guys are all so dumb.

    Leona has nothing to with this :) Its all her managers so that should be the real discussion.

    In the end both win, lots of publicity!

  • Gilly

    its music….reaching two totally different audiences…..do we really need to fight it out?……..

  • WebChromeo

    She may have a great voice, but that does not equal talent. Relying on that is not enough, for me talent is more about how she uses that voice to make creative & original music. Like the guy said “she ain’t that talented”, she just makes bad uncreative mainstream music (and thus has to copy orginal artists like Avicii).

  • Cr1097

    Of course he needs to fight it out…how would you like it if someone took your creation, and released it before you and made tons of money without your approval?!…Only an idiot would be OK with that

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001449994934 Evan Henry Catlett

    I kept telling myself that Lewis probably had no idea who the fuck Avicii was in the first place and that it was her camp’s fault for the blatant infringement, but uhh… guess not.

  • http://www.backtofeeling.tumblr.com/ DANYL108

    I’m pretty sure she spent years trying to become a star. She has an amazing voice and is this generation’s Whitney Houston or Mariah Carey. Whether you like music that is played on radio or not, you could only deny Leona’s talent if you were deaf, or just pure arrogant. She was wittled down from millions in the UK in 2006 and finally won The X Factor after competing for months, live, every week. To go from being a completely unknown waitress to singing live in front of millions, week after week with little training, and then to go on and become a global superstar, is huge, and she deserves every second of it. You can tell from every interview or appearance she’s ever made that she is sincere and honest. Did she or her management take to Twitter to cuss anyone out and/or claim how original her ‘Collide’ track is? No, no they did not. Instead, Avicii, as unknown in the world as Leona once was, heard the track they BOTH sampled from The Penguin Cafe Orchestra, and decided to bitch about how Leona’s team decided to release hers before he could release his as a full/official single. Avicii/his team have even admitted they can take no legal action, because the track WAS NOT THEIRS. Even if Leona Lewis’ record label and management did steal Avicii’s track, Leona herself would not have had control over whether the song was put out to radio or not, and no control over it being her first single from her upcoming album. She is under contract. However, that doesn’t mean she isn’t genuine, original or talented, because her attitude and work speaks for itself. She wrote most of her last album, which didn’t do well at all in the “pop” or “radio” charts because it wasn’t mainstream music. So spew out some more crap about how she’s just some radio-played bimbo without any talent or dignity.

  • http://www.backtofeeling.tumblr.com/ DANYL108

    “she has this generic “big pop artist” because she has to steal from one of the biggest dj’s today.”

    If your beloved DJ – who has done nothing but try to gain fame from slandering Leona, knowing it’s her management who are to blame for any theft – was so well known, why have I only just heard of him??

  • http://www.backtofeeling.tumblr.com/ DANYL108

    People attacking Leona personally, is disgusting. Taking to Twitter etc to say things like “she should be decapitated” or “I hope she falls in a ditch” is completely wrong. I wouldn’t want to see any of Leona’s fans personally attacking Avicii, either. If Leona’s management pulled a doozy on Avicii, then shame on them. Being as big a fan of Leona as I am, if it came out from a source who had proof it was 100% truth that she knew the song was stolen, then I’d not try and find a way to defend her. That being said, it is blatantly obvious how petty Avicii and co. are being about this whole situation, regardless of any possible truth. Why not try to get Leona’s single scrapped or find some dignified and private way to have his single put out first as the “original” version, and keep it respectful? Not to mention Avicii’s track came from a god damn sample in the first place, so nothing belongs to him but his actual arrangement, and if he gave that out to have vocals put over, then it’s his bad. Instead he had to get all butthurt and turn fans of two otherwise completely seperate artists against eachother. It’s petty. It’s childish. It’s tired. At least he’ll be happy his name is being mentioned by the media now.

  • http://www.backtofeeling.tumblr.com/ DANYL108

    I’m pretty sure when somebody is a singer, their man instrument is their voice. That obviousness out of the way, she is also a credited songwriter on most of her latest material, when she was allowed to have more creative input.

    “she just makes bad uncreative mainstream music (and thus has to copy orginal artists like Avicii).” Yes, your darling Avicii is so original he SAMPLED The Penguin Cafe Orchestra and started throwing around his tears and hate on Twitter when he didn’t get a pat on the back for being the only person to come up with an instrumental from that sample. You just contradicted yourself.

  • http://www.backtofeeling.tumblr.com/ DANYL108

    Because it’s not his creation. All royalties and thanks and props/kudos/whatever should go to The Penguin Cafe Orchestra. Get over it.

  • VatoLoco

    would u like if it u put the hard yards to compose a song and have someone steal it from right under you and dub shitty vocals over it and call it their own!? i wouldn’t think so! as a producer myself i understand how much work goes into making music and that would piss me off

  • Alkasquawlik

    Avicii got permission from the PCO to sample the track, plus he put his own spin on it.
    However, Leona Lewis’ instrumental track sound EXACTLY like ‘Penguins”, it’s like they didn’t even try to change it up. Add the fact that Avicii didn’t give his permission for her to use it just adds to the BS

  • Guest

    The melody is Penguin Cafe Orchestra’s but the production itself is Avicii’s.  When a hip-hop artist samples a song, it’s his creation.  For example, when Kanye West samples a song, you don’t see the name of the artist he sampled, you see Kanye’s name.  Hence, Penguin, or Fade into Darkness, is rightfully Avicii’s song.  He cleared any legal issues with the Penguin Cafe Orchestra and got consent from them.  I would understand if Leona Lewis’s label sampled the melody and created a different song, but her label completely ripped off Avicii’s song and changed nothing and released it under her name without giving credit to Avicii.  

  • Guest

    He sampled the melody, which is at most 2-3 tracks on the song.  He created the rest of the, what could be anywhere from 50-100+ tracks of the song.  Stop tipriding Lewis when her and her management are clearly in the wrong.  

  • Guest

    And I’m pretty sure Avicii worked as hard, if not harder.  He started producing 2-3 years ago and he’s become one of the most prominent figures in the house seen, which says something about his work ethic.  He stated in an interview that he would produce anywhere from 8-9 hours a day, 6 days a week.  If that’s not hard work, than I don’t know what is.  You’re just so infatuated with Lewis that you can’t seem to recognize both sides of the story.

    I do recognize that Lewis is a very talented singer and that she is a hard worker, but that isn’t the point of the controversy.  The point is that her management stole Avicii’s PRODUCTION.  They didn’t take the sample and produce their own instrumental, they took AVICII’S INSTRUMENTAL, put her voice over it, and then released it as an original. If you listen to both of their songs, you’ll notice that the instrumental of Collide is EXACTLY the same as Fade Into Darkness / Penguin, and Avicii’s been playing out that song since ~6 months ago.

  • Guest

    scene*

  • Mera

    Publicity isn’t everything and Avicii’s music being used without his permission isn’t really a win. Maybe it wan’t Leona Lewis’ fault that that track was used, but to speak for Avicii in her twitter posts wasn’t exactly a great idea either. I would say that it was her company’s fault, but when she made those twitter posts, she put herself right in the middle of it.

  • Mera

    Publicity isn’t everything and Avicii’s music being used without his permission isn’t really a win. Maybe it wan’t Leona Lewis’ fault that that track was used, but to speak for Avicii in her twitter posts wasn’t exactly a great idea either. I would say that it was her company’s fault, but when she made those twitter posts, she put herself right in the middle of it.

  • daniel

    So what’s your point? Facts have pointed out that Avicii did not give permission to Leona Lewis to use the song. He’s trying to scrap the single but Leona and her team has more money and more influence in the music industry at the moment. Plus, you are saying that Avicii is childish because he told his fans that someone stole his music? Put yourself in his shoes, and see how you feel? How could you keep it private? If Avicii stole Leona’s music, Leona’s fans would have done the same exact thing and Leona and her team would have done what Avicii has done. I really don’t understand how you think that what Leona did is okay. She and her team did a mistake. Period.

  • http://www.backtofeeling.tumblr.com/ DANYL108

    And if you re-read my comment/s, you’ll see that I said if Leona’s team did for an undeniable FACT steal Avicii’s track, then shame on them. I would be disappointed, and not defending Leona to the death but like I also said previously she obviously wouldn’t have control over the decision-making when it came to hiring producers to make or steal music for her, even though she does have more freedom to write/co-write her own lyrics since her first album. I’d be hurt if it happened to me, of course, but I’d go about a more dignified and respectful way about trying to get things sorted out, THEN I would make it public, if those attempts failed. Avicii came straight out with “my song’s been stolen, damn” before a press release for Leona’s track had even been released. Granted, a press release probably should’ve been put out, even if Avicii wouldn’t have accepted his name being credited in the song’s making. Neither you or I know the full truth and probably never will. It’s all a silly mess. But no, I don’t condone stealing at all if that’s what happened, no matter how much I love ‘Collide’. My real issue with the whole thing is people making PERSONAL attacks to the artists. Avicii’s fans AND Leona’s. I think that’s wrong, morally.

  • http://www.backtofeeling.tumblr.com/ DANYL108

    Same here, but then again we don’t really know if Leona even wrote those tweets basically “outing” Avicii as a liar, do we?

  • http://www.backtofeeling.tumblr.com/ DANYL108

    My whole reason for commenting on this article was seeing people spew about Leona being a talentless whore who basically does nothing but sit on her ass and gets her music handed to her while people like Avicii strive to no end, which is utter crap. Shame on Leona’s management for stealing/copying/using Avicii’s instrumental without consent, if that’s the case. My other point was: how do we even know that’s the truth. It seems Avicii is just pissed his version isn’t being released as an official single before Leona’s.

    The only thing I’m infatuated with is music.

  • http://www.backtofeeling.tumblr.com/ DANYL108

    Well said.

  • http://www.backtofeeling.tumblr.com/ DANYL108

    Ten points for bypassing most of my comment just so you could bitch some more. Go buy Avicii’s track – if you can – since you’re so butthurt. I’ll be helping Leona’s reach #1 when it’s released. Good day to you.

  • Xritmeta

    Leona Lewis fought to reach her dream , she´s talented and has a great voice..YEAH RIGHT Talking about talent just listen to Avicii´s career i think he´s got a lot more talent than Leona he rised up were he´s now just in matter of 3 years (thanks to his TALENT ) til now …If people´s arguments about Leona fighting all her life to reach were she´s now shes not that talented I guess …maybe she just abused of her “talent” to get a lot of money or she´s just another puppet of the mainsream cash thirsty pigs just hunting talents and getting money ….Avicii is just getting started with his career and I think that even though he´s also acused for sampling The Penguin Cafe Orchestra he has more rights to stand for his achievements starting just by the fact he doesnt has the massive money and influence support in the industry  he also deserves to be heard and known why didnt Leona and Sandy tought of stealing Guetta´s?  its obvious that the maistream lacks of good ideas and innovation  to achieve succes in this time so why not lets steal or corrupt the EDM culture and producers to gain fame and of course Money…and other reason why Avicii must fight is beacuase obviously he is a talented young producer with CREATIVITY INSPIRATION AND PASSION when talking about creating music. 
     just expressing my feelings and thoughts  here guys really love Avicii´s work and EDM hate when things like this happen maybe is not fully Leaona´s fault but I think she shouldnt be doing this is against talented artists principles and against pride and honor of oneself or the other person 

  • http://www.backtofeeling.tumblr.com/ DANYL108

    I can understand that 100%, but what about the sound engineer who supposedly worked on Avicii’s and Leona’s track without either artist once even meeting eachother? It doesn’t seem to be Leona’s mess personally, and that’s what my point is. People talking smack and gearing their hate toward somebody who is just doing what she loves; making music. How is she to know who does or doesn’t steal somebody’s production for her. It seems that Sandy Vee dude has duped both artists.

  • http://www.backtofeeling.tumblr.com/ DANYL108

    Exactly, but since Avicii wasn’t the sole “maker” of “his” instrumental track, the other/s then went on to use it for another artist, Leona. Not Leona’s fault, and no need for Avicii to bring Leona’s name down to where his bitterness resides.

  • Alkasquawlik

    Who else, other than Avicii, produced Penguins?

  • Rhymeswithblonde

    It’s Avicii’s song. I heard of the dance version first.  Besides, the “Fade Into Darkness” song is WAAAAAAAAAY better than the Leona song, “Collide” . I am not partial because I love dance music AND Leona Lewis’ songs “Better In Time” and “Keep Bleeding” so there. Ask permission first.

  • http://engadget.com/editor/jacob-schulman Jacob Schulman

    Ha!

  • jack

    Do you actually understand how electronic music is produced? How samples are used? Lewis didn’t just take the penguin orchestra sample and do her own song. She took Avicii’s produced track, Penguin, and laid her vocals over it. That’s not legal. She didn’t make her penguins loop. 

  • jack

    The moment Leona came out and spoke specifically for Avicii, she lost the right to lay all the blame on her management.

  • jack

    Here’s the original great orchestra piece - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvbCV6E0Wro 

    Yeah… Because Leona Lewis’s team happen to hear that and reproduce Avicii’s track.

  • EF

    You know what’s pissing me off about your posts, DANYL? The fact that you agree theres no “undeiable FACT” about anything right now because SyCo or Sony Music won’t respond to anything, yet the information we have now is pointing towards Leona Lewis’ management doing wrong. You seem to ignore that. You put so much faith into the goodness that is Leona Lewis that you are biased towards the wrong side. Here, let me break down why most people agree Avicii is right:
     
    1) Avicii was planning on releasing Fade Into Darkness around mid July, so do you really think he would want someone else dubbing a vocal track over his own vocal track? What kind of producer would do that?
    2) There was no mention of congratulating Avicii before the whole incident either on Leona Lewis’ twitter or Sandy Vee’s. (Full of “OMG #COLLIDE HUUGE SO BIG SO EXCITE”)
    3) Yes, the song is from Penguin Orchestra Cafe, but Avicii made the song completely different. Are you seriously telling me that the two songs are anywhere related? Apart from the melody, everything else is Avicii’s. Drops, hooks, synths –  all Avicii’s. Yet here you are, claiming that her producers could have come up with the exact same dance piece that Avicii pulled out from Penguin Orchestra Cafe’s song. To me, that’s the most offending thing as a fan of EDM. Avicii is one of the biggest and brightest producers to the EDM world right now, and for you to say that “… Avicii wasn’t the sole “maker” of “his” instrumental track, the other/s then went on to use it for another artist, Leona…” is ignorant. NO ONE, and I stress again, NO ONE, could’ve produced the masterpiece known as Penguin. Without Avicii, there would be no “Collide.” I dare you to tell me Sandy Vee (or Sandy Vag, now) has the producing abilities to create such a masterpiece. For me, that was the last straw. I could no longer read your comments without being disgusted at your bias.
     
    So there, biggest reasons as to why we as a community are pissed. Some might be unwarranted in their anger at Leona, but then again, she and her management team should know better in both their production and handling of the whole controversy.
     
    P.S. I’m sorry if I overextended myself by claiming myself as a representative of the EDM community. Views are expressed as my own, and not as a general representation of everyone else who loves EDM. Much love to Avicii and the EDM world, and “Sunrise” is going to be huge!

  • Chris Weeting909

    Firstly a correction to your article – Autumn Rowe wrote the lyrics to Collide. As far as I’m aware we don’t know who wrote the lyrics to Fade Into Darkness or who sung the vocal – perhaps Avicii and AtNight can clear this up? They’re big on being credited after all …

    Secondly something which is still bugging me – who sent the track to Leona’s camp? MoS in their initial press splurge (which was published before the Leona track got its first play) indicated the instrumental had been sent to Leona’s camp “without their permission” by someone they knew, a position they now seem to have gone quiet on – and it’s not the only major artist’s camp who received the track in the last few months as a cursory follow of Pop Justice’s feed soon revealed.Also, do we know if Syco has got permission from Penguin Cafe Orchestra?

    And as for Avicii not being signed, perhaps someone needs to tell MoS as from their own press release: “Ministry of Sound signed Avicii a year ago”

  • Chris Weeting909

    Firstly a correction to your article – Autumn Rowe wrote the lyrics to Collide. As far as I’m aware we don’t know who wrote the lyrics to Fade Into Darkness or who sung the vocal – perhaps Avicii and AtNight can clear this up? They’re big on being credited after all …

    Secondly something which is still bugging me – who sent the track to Leona’s camp? MoS in their initial press splurge (which was published before the Leona track got its first play) indicated the instrumental had been sent to Leona’s camp “without their permission” by someone they knew, a position they now seem to have gone quiet on – and it’s not the only major artist’s camp who received the track in the last few months as a cursory follow of Pop Justice’s feed soon revealed.Also, do we know if Syco has got permission from Penguin Cafe Orchestra?

    And as for Avicii not being signed, perhaps someone needs to tell MoS as from their own press release: “Ministry of Sound signed Avicii a year ago”

  • http://twitter.com/eduardoviibez Eduardo José

    Leona Lewis and Sandy Vee are both garbage. so disgusting. seriously. wtf. And what pisses me off is that they made the track sooo bad.!! they made it sound bad!! 

  • http://twitter.com/eduardoviibez Eduardo José

    get fucked lol. you like cheese.

  • Harrysanger

    my opinion on what happened is. leona knew she couldnt optain the rights to his track legally but knew that there record which is backed by sony is the much bigger and more powerful one. They knew that Avicii was small time and would not have the time , money nor effort to pursue such a large criminal case aginst them. therefore submitting and continuing on with his career. leona lewis you manipulative little slut. Avicii is 100000x the artist u will ever be.

  • BHELL

    The song that posted here is what the final song should be lewis should give 3/4 of the track to avicii and 1/4 for herself as a business decision it will be bad but as a human helping out it the morally right thing to do.  The combination of both songs is the BEST SONG by far, each of the songs has their issues standing alone, “Fade into Darkness” vocals are weak at best and everyone just jumps on Avicii’s dick at this point kinda disgusting he’s a great producer but the vocals don’t compare to when he put out bromance.  Both have gotten a ton of publicity from this, who would have ever through Avicii would have been mentioned in the NYPOST, well now he is.  Best publicity he could possibly get is coming from this.  Combine the song call it “Penguins Collide into Darkness” and than have afrojack put out an official remix and everyone is happy.  Everyone gets credit the song becomes a radio number 1 and Avicii will have the recognition he wants.  ITS ALL ABOUT MONEY AND SOMETIMES THESE PEOPLE NEED TO GROW UP. 

  • Anonymous

    Just stop DANYL haha you’re on the wrong thread and blog to write such non-sense. You’re against too many people with your stance. Avicii has every right to be pissed, the tweets that her management have been putting out are straight silly. If Avicii never gave permission then they should’ve never stolen his track. Avicii’s loyal fans are pissed too by showing him support, and they don’t actually mean the stuff they’re saying about Leona. Avicii’s resolve is in no way immature, they’re just getting fucked. How do you react when you get fucked? Cry about it, it’s so disgusting. 

  • jaytee

    ultimately this whole fiasco shows a great flaw in the music industry that “talented” individuals are unfortunately used as puppets by Sony, SyCo, etc.  though leona lewis’ management team did some questionable “sampling”, Leona probably did not know who Avicii was (or did know about Penguin and decided to play along with SyCo).  At this point, it looks pretty bad for Leona if she decides to admit or deny what’s happening.

    for those criticizing others’ opinions, grow up and realize that others are entitled to believe/think/feel what they want.

    ironically the mashup is on hypem’s popular tracks list.  we could all be fools arguing about this stuff when it may have been contrived by both sides.  we’ll never know, but everyone can always continue immaturely arguing.

    and thanks for those who commented.  reading this is lulz and makes work go by so much faster.

  • http://www.backtofeeling.tumblr.com/ DANYL108

    I’m so excited for Collide to hit #1 :]

  • Guest

    I’m pretty sure if your beloved Avicii had any rights to keep “his” track solely his own, there would be no Collide. Get over the fact his name will continue to fade into darkness (petty pun, wahey) once all of this mess is resolved, Leona has yet another #1 hit which she deserves, and your DJ goes back to sampling everyone left right and center, in silence.

  • Alana

    yea… me too! the #1 worst song ever…god she ruins the song 

  • EF

    Glad you replied with absolute nothing. Cool beans.

  • hector

    BURN THE BITCH

  • EF

    If there was no Avicii, there would be no “Collide.” You’d have to be an idiot, and a really big one at that, to say that Avicii’s Penguin was not used in “Collide.” Otherwise, tell me different. You honestly think that based on that sole reason alone, Avicii should have a say in what he wants with it? Don’t give me that Penguin Cafe Orchestra crap too. The two songs are nothing alike apart from the melody.

    I, admittedly, know little to nothing about how the music industry works so correct me if I’m wrong, but I’m guessing if you want to sample someone’s music you should technically ask for permission, but since Avicii never officially released his song (but was promo’d half a year ago on BBC Radio 1), he doesn’t really have a say in it since it wasn’t an “official release.” Most of the EDM artists do that though, release songs for promotion without it being official. But if dirt like SyCo continues to abuse it, man, I don’t know what the EDM world could do.

  • BooHoo

    In silence? Avicii’s massive on the scene, just because he’s not in the charts doesn’t mean he’s not popular. Yes, he sampled the penguin cafe orchestra’s MELODY, but he’s remastered it, added in a new beat and bass etc. I personally don’t like leona lewis music but that’s my OPINION, I respect the fact that lots of people like her music. I don’t think that she was personally responsible for what happened regarding taking Avicii’s instrumental, it was someone in Syco, so I do NOT think she should be burned or decapitated but I wish the situation regarding the tweets could be clearer, because in fact, Avicii made MOST of the song.

  • BooHoo

    No, it’s called an opinion. I personally don’t like leona’s music but I don’t go round saying how shit it is or she should be decapitated. I don’t believe it’s leona’s fault, it’s a member of the shady production team (probably)

  • BooHoo

    It’s an opinion, he has his, you have yours, no matter how nasty either of them are. He has a right to say leona’s shit, you have a right to say leona is talented. Stop bitching!!!

  • BooHoo

    Because you’re not into the scene, simples

    Although mind you, if you look into it you’ll find that it’s a very popular scene. Believe me, I haven’t heard of half the artists in the charts atm either because i’m not really into that scene

  • BooHoo

    Bells and Whistles? Your talking here about the beat, bass, synths, remastering the melody (In penguin, its a lot sharper than the PCO original) etc. Why don’t you try to make an EDM tune? Then you’ll see how many elements you’ll have to accompany into the tune, its far more than “bells and whistles,” i’ll tell you that.

  • BooHoo

    Yes, but the rest of the song (90+% of it) was done by avicii

  • BooHoo

    Again, an opinion about leona, just because someone doesn’t like leona, it doesn’t make them deaf or arrogant

  • Ssalvioni2004

    Avicii had the legal rights to sample the song btw. he made penguins in memory of one of their members that passed away

  • Ssalvioni2004

    It is his creation. HE HAD EVERY LEGAL RIGHT TO SAMPLE THAT MELODY. So those of you who r on the Leona band wagon gtfo. Penguins is 100% legal. Collide = 100% illegal and trying to steal all of avicii’s money by releasing it before avicii released his vocal mix

  • http://www.facebook.com/rafael510 Rafael De La Torre

    I keep telling people that, since EDM blew up and began to work with mainstream, They would start causing problems. surely enough EDM gets attention but, attention it doesn’t need or deserve.

    Burn the bridges with the mainstream and look for independent vocals, etc. just avoid the Goliath record labels.

  • http://www.facebook.com/rafael510 Rafael De La Torre

    I keep telling people that, since EDM blew up and began to work with mainstream, They would start causing problems. surely enough EDM gets attention but, attention it doesn’t need or deserve.

    Burn the bridges with the mainstream and look for independent vocals, etc. just avoid the Goliath record labels.

  • Ssalvioni2004

    Avicii is a PRODUCER!!!! aka he makes his on songs dumbass

  • Ssalvioni2004

    Avicii is a PRODUCER!!!! aka he makes his on songs dumbass

  • Ssalvioni2004

    no one…. lol

  • Ssalvioni2004

    no one…. lol

  • Ssalvioni2004

    2 hit wonder = lucky no talent

  • Ssalvioni2004

    2 hit wonder = lucky no talent

  • Ssalvioni2004

    DANYL108 u obviously have no idea how EDM music is made or works. please just leave before u embarrass ur self some more  

  • Ssalvioni2004

    DANYL108 u obviously have no idea how EDM music is made or works. please just leave before u embarrass ur self some more  

  • Ssalvioni2004

    I find that realy hard to believe when he is playing in clubs all over the world

  • Ssalvioni2004

    Agian u show how ignorant u r. Avicii is huge!!!!! even bigger than leona in europe. He doesnt need the publicity. oh and leona won a contest to become big. Avicii made music. who worked harder now bitch

  • Ssalvioni2004

    Luis the difference between the two songs is that avicii sampled it leaglly. Leona didnt

  • DANYL108

    Suck it.

  • DANYL108

    You honestly think I’m going to waste my energy putting any more bigots in their place? Neh.

  • EF

    Yet, here you are, on a cold, lonely night, doing nothing but checking DancingAstronaut for a genre of music you don’t even listen to, just so you can reply and read to all of our comments. Makes total sense.

  • BooHoo

    “You honestly think I’m going to waste my energy putting any more bigots in their place? Neh.”

    You’re the fine one to talk…

  • BooHoo

    How about… No? It’s called free speech

    Anyways, if you like Leona Lewis, and don’t like EDM, why the fuck are you on Dancing Astronaut? Just Wandering…

  • BooHoo

    How do we know that Leona’s not auto-tuned anyway? There has been cases of it being done on the X factor and they can make it sound pretty convincing lol

  • BooHoo

    The whole point is though, if your beloved Leona Lewis is so “talented” and can write her own music, then why does she and her producers have to rip off someone else’s track?

  • slaps

    I think Avicii likes to get wined and dined before he get’s FUCKED

  • Kialni

    Well somebody is lying – its the whole isue – isnt it. ???

  • mads

    wow, so sad, she is just a mainstream pop artist. fuck off asshole 

  • MydoglistenstoEDM

    It is her fault. Her career, her name, her music. Leona needs to get a clue into what’s goin on with her music career, so she can maintain some type of integrity. She’s talented, but snagging a young musician is low and she’s better than that. Ps danyl, don’t hate avicii, cuz he’s gonna continue to rise and eventually bang ur sister

  • Andyman9999

    danyl108 are you actually rooting leona lewis or just trying really really hard to??

  • Steventyler2210

    I’m actually a massive fan of Avicii but I’m not impressed about being linked to this clearly biased article.  If it was that straightforward, which I hope it turns out to be, there would be no issue in the first place.  But we all know there’s more to it – just waiting for the FACTS from both sides.  A couple of posts on twitter or “sources tell us” won’t do, we want something OFFICIAL.  Until that happens, I’m reserving judgment.

  • guest

    how the hell do you know that she worked harder than avicii to “live her dream?” you clearly dont know what the fuck you’re talking about. do you think producing electronic music is easy? do you know what it takes to make a killer tune that tops beatport is supported by pete tong on bbc1 and played by the BIGGEST edm stars like afrojack shm and even tiesto? avicii taught himself how to produce and dj in his bedroom in sweden, finally releasing a song that won the bbc radio 1 competition. yes, he sampled the melody from POC but everything else in “fade into darkness” is his. do you really think kanye west came up with “stronger”. he sampled daft punk, with their permission. he even fucking PERFORMED with daft punk at the 2008 grammys. “collide” doesnt sample the POC melody, its exactly the same as fade into darkness. leona and sany vee didnt come up with shit, they just copied avicii’s song and layered it with leonas vocals. which is total bullshit. so dont give me any of that “work for her dream shit”. some singers are born naturally gifted, but let me assure you, but you have to work your ass off to produce killer tunes like the ones avicii is currently releasing.

  • guest

     cuz you’re a stupid cunt. he didnt gain fame from slandering leona, he was famous far before that, with his remix of rapture and seek bromance and all the other brilliant shit hes produced.

  • http://gay-googleplus.tumblr.com/ Johnny

    Had never heard of this group, Avicii… Then I heard the Leona Lewis song Collide. I then became VERY interested in Avicii. Then I heard about this stupid lawsuit. No longer interested in Avicii. Leona is amazing… this biased article, is not. Was even excited to show some friends Avicii music… not anymore. Fuck you too, Avicii. <3

  • guest323324

    He’s one of the most famous DJs in the world at the moment… HE DOESNT NEED MORE MEDIA ATTENTION. He’s quite a shy guy too that doesn’t want a shit load of publicity. If Avicii knew that the songs rights had been sold he would not give a shit just like every other person in the world. Cash in. HOW is it his bad if he gives out a sample to put voice over?!?!? 
    If i walked into your house and stole your TV you would be fucking pissed off. Avicii’s concerts sell out faster than leona lewis’s, with more concerts and larger venue, Sorry kido. And if you can listen to the penguin orchestra thing and penguin by avicii i have to say its very different.
    WITHOUT PENGUIN THERE WOULD BE NO COLLIDE! 
    and sorry but— “Avicii came straight out with “my song’s been stolen, damn” before a press release for Leona’s track had even been released.”
    How do you know this? do you have a source? id be really interested… maybe he tried to talk to the management and that failed and then made it public, who knows we’re not Avicii. 
    He had the real ease planned no one is that stupid to kill their own song and give it to someone else if you have a set date to release. 
    Get over yourself… you wank to leona lewis at night while writing comments on dancing astronaut. (let me guess you live with your mom?) thought so.
    WHY WASTE TIME AND ENERGY AND LOOSE FANS IF YOU SOLD THE SONG AND MADE MONEY?
    answer: Because she stole it, just like every other song the mainstream bitch never wrote.
    She took Run by Snow Patrol (legally i think) fans were still pissed, don’t use other peoples creations its called plagiarism its illegal and you won’t get into university (not that it would matter for you)… 
    If her producers could come up with the same song then why didn’t they?
    and if he is so untalented why do you like the song collide so much?

    “Because it’s not his creation. All royalties and thanks and props/kudos/whatever should go to The Penguin Cafe Orchestra. Get over it.” 
    —The songs are not very alike i must say and he didn’t just play with his dick and a great song came out of it. 

    PS. . You are restating the same thing over and over again… It tedious and tiring to have to read. 
    She’s a good singer. 
    But this is ridiculous

  • guest4529352

    literally? so not really? kinda confusing sorry dude…
    should of finished 5th grade. 

  • gues3425

    thats because when you take a shit on the road you have to clean the shit up endless your a dog…

  • guest34

    *unless

  • jajajajaj

    hahahahhahahahahhahaha that was good

  • the guest

    You’re all I want, yeah yeah
    I know you’re the one, yeah
    You’re all I want, yeah
    I know you’re the one, yeah
    good lyrics seriously???

  • guest 43434

    sorry comment for DANYL108

    WHO IS CLEARLY ON THE WRONG WEBSITE
    go back to granny porn…

  • guest

    because you live in the cellar in your parents house, have no job, wank off to leona lewis 10 times a day because you can’t get any and for the first time wandered out of the three websites you use, pornhub.com?, chixwithdix.com? leanalewis.com?

  • Guest

    “Leona Lewis and Simon Cowell are being sued for allegedly ripping off a dance trackon The X Factor winner’s new single, Collide.” (MTV.com)
    BAM!
    why would he sue for attention thats ridiculous 
    HOPE THIS PUTS AN END TO IT!
    Face it you were wrong…

  • Guest

    “With regards to my song, avicii was aware & agreeing publishing splits for himself and his manager. When avicii sent his track out to have a song written over it I totally fell in love with this version and i think he’s super talented.” MTV.com
    sets an end to the talent question too.

  • Kirby_1011

    Avicii had the license to use the sample so in actuallity it does belong to him andi would love for you to make  a massive dance hit and then have someone steal it but then say oh its ok just release it as your own original for all my hard work.

  • Kirby_1011

    i think the funniest part about all these arrogent leana lewis supporters who think avicii is a no one is that they’ve all probably heard levels and seek bromance an still have no idea who its by lol 

  • brandon

    fuck you, Avicii is the man. and everyone has stolen his shit. up to flo rida. so fuck of.. Avicii greated this first.

  • Ad

    are you a retard? Avicii got music stolen by your corrupt faggots

  • Johnny

    Both of you go fuck each other to some Avicii musak.. if you listen to this crap, I am sure putting a penis in your mouth is pretty much the same thing. :) LOL

  • Shanereid91

    why are you blaming avicii for having his work stolen by leona lewis. how come it is illegal to stop someone stealing your work. its leona lewis you should be mad at. also avicii is not a group. he is a dj.

  • Smiley668_

    Avicii is god!! Sucks that he had to get dragged into this bs, hopefully it can get all cleaned up so he can go back to what he does best, touring and producing some of the sickest beats out there. canada <3's Tim berg!!