Steve Angello accused of ‘faking’ Dance Valley set, but there’s more to the story (updated)

Steve Angello Dance Valley Festival

There’s been a bit of buzz recently around the web regarding Steve Angello’s closing set at the  Dance Valley music festival in The Netherlands, where he was a headliner.  A video that looks to be shot from on stage has been floating around the web showing the last 13 minutes of the set, during which the Mafia man is not wearing headphones or heavily interfacing with the DJ equipment. Chatter around the video has led to critcism that the set was possibly pre-mixed, especially since the usual array of fireworks and CO2 blasts are perfectly in sync with the biggest moments and drops. Disappointed fans are implying that Angello is losing his enthusiasm for the craft which has brought him all of his success, choosing to rely on less desirable practices instead.

After word began circulating around the EDM community, Steve himself grew distraught with the allegations and took to Twitter to set the record straight. In a series of tweets, he defends his ability to mix without headphones, and proclaims that he would “would never do a pre-recorded set in [his] whole life” as it’s “against everything I stand for.” Clearly upset about the uninformed allegations, he has been on a tare addressing “the haters” and even offering a challenge to others who think they could do it better themselves. We’ve got more analysis — and the video in question — right after the break.

We’ve reviewed the clip and discussed it internally, and while some of the transitions clearly aren’t being made on the fly, we can’t help but mention the one-sidedness of this particular video. This 13 minute clip certainly doesn’t capture the entirety of the set, and the segment in question includes a large pyrotechnics display. We’re no stranger to the massive productions that SHM puts on, and it takes a lot of work to keep things in sync — just see the similar fireworks display during Thomas Gold’s remix of “Judas” that the trio closed with at EDC Vegas (Update: SHM did not close with the remix, but it was part of their grand finale closing sequence.) That being said, it’s understandable that the songs in this section of the set are premixed so as to allow the effects crew to coordinate with the big build ups and drops of the songs, as Steve has personally clarified himself. He writes:

“I just reviewed the clip everyone is talking about . so let me explain , when i do some festivals i have a team there that does all my pyro , fx and co2´s , + most of them have a synced “fireworks show” that is synced to the music so nothing goes wrong for the fireworks show since timing everything is extremely hard for them , so i have a medley mix i close with so they can have everything synced , most big festivals have that and its nothing new , as soon as your closing under a big finale you have that going on.. does that explain it ? i know some of you will still hate cause of the fact that hating if your game but i have now explained it and take it or leave it . i don’t have to prove myself that i´m able to mix i´ve done that my whole life and spend more time mixing then with my daughter so thats it . hope some of you understand , if you don’t sorry about that .. S A”

We at DA have witnessed countless DJs mix portions of sets — and even entire ones — without headphones, and it’s not a stretch to believe that Angello knows the ins and outs of his tracks so well that he could mix a set with his eyes closed.

Many DA editors have been to Angello events, and we can certainly vouch that he knows what he’s doing — and that he’s actually doing it. It’s not unheard of for larger DJs headlining massive festivals to use premixed portions that allow effects crews to keep lighting and pyrotechnics in sync. Also, cue points are set from track to track, and Angello appears to be hitting cue buttons and messing with effects at many points in the video. One astute fan on Twitter has even pointed out that one of the CDJs is flashing red — an indicator of a track coming to an end — which throws a wrench in the theory that the set was pre-recorded anyway. Even if his energy appears to falter at times, the 15-30 seconds that he does so only amounts to a tiny fraction of his entire set, and even a mega-DJ like Angello can’t fist pump for 90 minutes straight.

Closing DJs and headliners alike generally go out with a bang. Angello’s frustration comes to a boil in another Tweet that takes the defensive and again condemns “the haters.”

Can’t believe you guys are still going for it . don’t you have better things to do then make up bullshit to write about me faking a whole set when i just explained that it was the last 11 mins of my set so they could fire of the special fx and all the fireworks , stop with your bullshit and get on with your lives , if it would be up to you guys we would all be stuck in cells without electricity and banging on a floor without a big show so you would feel better for yourselves not being there , i would never fake a whole set in my entire life and those 10 mins are part of the show . if you don’t wanna see fireworks and a massive finale stop buying tickets to events where that happens and stay home instead . i hate when people make up a big story and feed on it like sugar to ants . make something better of your time instead of wasting mine !! if you would put as much time on your own careers as you do talking shit maybe a thing like this wouldn’t affect you , i know who my real fans are and you haters are not my real fans , cause if you would be you would get what i´m saying after seeing the shows we do , you probably haven’t even been to any of my shows and won’t ever come so drop it , get on with your lives ! – SA

We absolutely love the EDM community here at DA and hate seeing one of our favorite DJ’s images being tarnished by a misleading video. Even more misleading reporting by other publications makes us even more angry. In a world where Size Matters, Steve Angello is certainly one of the heavyweights in this business, and we doubt one YouTube video will change that. His original productions are still top notch, and we hope we were able to give this situation a little perspective rather than crying foul right away. Still, feel free to discuss in the comments, but remember guys: keep it classy.

Update: A notice on YouTube advises viewers that “This video contains an audio track that has not been authorized by all copyright holders. The audio has been disabled.” Um, not cool.

Jacob Schulman contributed to this report.

  • david

    Cant we all just enjoy the music!

  • Zazen

    when you make $30,000+ per live set you deserve to be scrutinized!

  • lucas

    re:david

    apparently not – it seems like to have a successful show, we need a dj to simply stand in place of where a performer should really be so that the music can take back seat to theatrics

  • Sham

    He can really say all he want about pyrotech and that stuff, I still think that a DJ is not someone who waves his hands around without having NO effort given into the mixing in the moment. I mean, all other DJ’s that give their butt mixing tracks are crazy? Why dont we all say ‘Hey its the pyrotechnics’ and clap our hands while a pre-recorded set goes around.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ismael-Lozano/712167929 Ismael Lozano

     yeah i saw him at coachella, needless to say i was in the FRONT row on the gate and he never once in his 2 hours fuckkking set put on a pair of headphones to bring in the next track, the guy is a fucking joke.

  • Fakexican

    Dude knows what he’s doing, lets leave him the hell alone and focus on our game

  • ronald

    why is everyone so surprised? this is just like a singer lip-syncing to their own song at a live concert … this kinda stuff happens in the music industry.

  • http://twitter.com/eduardoviibez Eduardo José

    fuck youtube!!! i wanna listen to that audio. cant rlly comment on it

  • Zazen

    here’s video with audio. certainly looks fishy to me!
    http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/1644611/d188e85d/steve_angello_is_gemakzuchtig.html

  • Trey

    Come on DA, it is downright embarrassing how much you are coming to his defense.

    “It’s not unheard of for larger DJs headlining massive festivals to use
    premixed portions that allow effects crews to keep lighting and
    pyrotechnics in sync.”

    Give the special FX people more credit than that they are pros that know when to fire off CO2 Cannons or Pyros and don’t need premixed songs to do it. It is Angello’s excuse for playing a mega mix at the end. And pre-planning your entire set, using hot cues, time shifting all of your songs to the same tempo, is NOT DJing, It is him being lazy and leaving no room for spontaneity in song selection, It’s just that he doesnt give a fuck, obvious by his lackadaisical attitude the whole time he is up there to begin with.

    The sad thing is I am sure he is technicallly a great mixer, he just chooses not to any longer, I saw the Size Matters tour in the states a few months ago, same thing, whole set was premixed and planned out, although he bothered to trigger a few samples from a Justice Accapella over top of one song.

  • andre

    I saw his set at EDC. I was really looking forward to his set, as I am a huge fan of SHM. Needless to say, he sucked. It seemed like he did not want to be there. Dancing Astronaut is an extremely biased and myopic group of writers. So them coming to the defense of Steve Angello is not surprising.

    I agree with Trey. VJs and other FXs people are talented in their own right. For Steve Angello, Bijan and Jacob Shulman to patronize those people is downright elitist and embarrassing. 

  • DRK

    He already sold out as soon as he started catering to the masses with the SHM lovefest. This isn’t surprising. Mixed live or not, all he’s doing is syncing and EQ- Any CDJ can do that on Virtual DJ.

  • striker
  • Matt

    Impossible to come to any conclusions without the first portion of the set.

    The headphone argument is beyond stupid, btw.  It’s not hard to mix without headphones if you know the tracks you’re mixing, and you know the bpm.  
    Also, if he were faking it… I have this feeling he’d put on headphones and at least pretend to be mixing.  Why would he go all the way to Dance Valley to headline a set and not mix it?  It’s just as much work to prerecord it… 

  • walter

    hopefully he won’t fuck up during his set in governors island on the 20th..

  • Steve

    you guys need better writers. 

  • Sam P

    In the video attached by Striker you can see where he presses the play button for Sweet Disposition and where he raises the volume up and lowers the volume of the previous track. 

    What I didn’t see though, was energy.

  • http://engadget.com/editor/jacob-schulman Jacob Schulman

    Is there something you particularly have an issue with in this post? I edited it myself and thought we were as informative as possible given the information out there. If you have suggestions on how we could improve though, I’m all ears.

  • Djlucas

    This write up is disguting…how the hell can you stand up for this guy after seeing the video…oh and also how you mention about him being good at making original tunes….why don’t you watch this video on how he made his number 1 hit using only sample pack loops..(not even bothering too adjust the loops in anyway..as if its not bad enough just to use loops!!!!)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuAxnEWQWDw

    go on..tell me he is a good producer…and as for the argument for using no headphones!?! you’re not really a dj if you dont actually beat match….well not dance music anyways!  otherwise you might aswell just be using ableton.  I can understand if he was playing hip hop and was cutting records in but its pretty weak if you get all your tracks too the same bpm before a set…..not really a skill is it?

  • Jan

    What wrong with these “fans”? I still remember the shm performance on tomorrowland 2010. The don’t mix the next three tracks, rather they climbed on the mixtables and drank champagnes. But it was cool and they made party with the crowd.

  • Triphoprisy

     aside from the massive spelling errors and the repetition of words…no. it was great.

  • Anonymous

    Bijan: Your writing resembles that of a 5th grader’s. Go easy on the hyphens.
    Jacob: Stop being so goddamned defensive. If you edited this article, you didn’t do your job. Plain and simple.

    How to improve? Present the “information out there” in an unbiased fashion. I am willing to bet you guys were scared to piss off Steve Angello. Guess what? You did that at the expense of your blog’s credibility.

    Congratulations, Dancing Astronaut is officially our destination for the latest and greatest in the bum-kissing of big name DJ’s.

  • Egon

    Wow, I never knew he made KNAS from a sample.

  • Egonny

    It’s funny because some weeks ago, deadmau5 was talking about how good DJ’s don’t need headphones because they know their music, and he mentioned Steve Angello too :P .
    For the people who think Steve Angello premixes everything, check out the video from SHM at iTunes festival, you’ll see that this is not true.
    He is kind of a dick though, acting like he is a celebrity of some sorts; if only his personality was as enjoyable as his music! 

  • Madtwatter

    a few days ago i lost my headphones plug so i improvised and djed without any headphones. i had one of the best sets of my life but the management gave me shit about it. they said it’s unprofessional and cheating. seriously.

  • pat

    Given Angello’s success, I doubt the guy is an idiot. If he were ‘faking’ his sets, at the very least he would use headphones to ensure no one remotely thought he was using pre-recorded sets. I saw him play at Paradise Club in Mykonos 3 or 4 weeks ago and his set was outstanding (then again I saw him in Australia 5 months ago and his level of energy/engagement with the crowd was pitiful – regardless I love his music…and the SHM – Take One documentary is fucking incredible). Whether you like him or not, he’s a fantastic artist for the people that rate his music. I’ve seen a number of DJs play without using headphones and they all seem fairly capable. I cannot see why Angello couldn’t achieve this feat himself given the number of years he has been DJing and producing. To those people disrespecting DA for their views on this situation, I think it’s pretty clear a lot of the DA writers like the SHM type of music – is it wrong for them to defend someone that they respect?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=24800287 Raoul Duke

    We are always seeking constructive criticism from our readers and are actively looking for ways to improve. This website is continuously growing and evolving and we need reader feedback, both positive and negative. Jacob was in no way being defensive, I cannot see how you would misconstrue his comment as such. 

    As for the article, The subject matter is obviously highly debated, with arguments for both sides, there was heated debate amongst DA staffers as to how to present this piece and I feel that Jacob and Bijan did a good job presenting the information and their opinions.  Would my article have been different? Most certainly. Does it give them, or this website, any less credibility for expressing their opinion? Definitely not.

    You present yourself as knowledgable both in EDM, as well as journalism, but your approach to debate and discussion is more tactless than it is effective.

    You attacked the person not the issue, anyone can do that.

  • John

    I’d suggested proofreading this. Caught several typos.

  • Anonymous

    My comments about the two individuals above stand – this article was not well-written or well-edited.

    The issue is bias and shying away from being critical. How a group of EDM lovers can so vehemently support a lazy, but well-known DJ after watching the video above baffles me.
    I’ve been reading this blog for a long time. Your coverage of Avicii vs. Leona Lewis was fantastic, but the bias you show toward Steve Angello is truly disappointing.

  • andre

    Also, SHM did not close with Judas at EDC Vegas. DA needs to get their facts correct too. Just sayin’.

  • marsig

    it’s all about the reaction.  haters gonna hate.  just don’t react like he did.

  • NeverStaySilent

    Your comments are bias. Your were searching to find something in this article to confirm your view point and probably didn’t find it.

    For those that accuse SA, pretty sure no was standing still while the last 13 minutes of his set played.  So, obviously it wasn’t the worst thing that could happen. If anything most probably go about their day continuing to listen to his music on their ipods or itunes.

  • Keith

    WHO CARES.

  • iCanProduceWithSamplePacksToo

    “His original productions are still top notch…”

    Once again, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuAxnEWQWDw

    Get off SHM’s dick already.

  • Linden

    There are so many DJs that take off their Headphones… Tiesto and Luke do it all the time. Haters gonna hate. :/

  • barbie streisand

    All this could be remedied with a video of Mr. Angello throwing down a legit mix.   Problem solved.
    The truth is, the definition of DJing is changing (progressing?) and many of the acts that headline these big events are producers primarily (Avicii, Skrillex, etc.) and maybe we shouldn’t expect brilliance in both areas.
    But fixing your hair in front of a crowd that big?  Dude, no.

  • http://engadget.com/editor/jacob-schulman Jacob Schulman

    Would you mind sharing a link to coverage of this issue that seems more unbiased or well-written? Everything else I’ve read about it is complete trash. 

    I’m very receptive to criticism, but you should know that we’re *not* kissing anyone’s ass nor would we ever let a relationship with an artist stand in the way of honest reporting. Steve, Seb, and Axwell are three of the largest names in the business and have all contributed heavily to what EDM is becoming today, and I don’t think anyone can deny that.

    I did fix some of the typos though, so sorry about those. I edited this at 2AM in Europe from vacation on a shitty Internet connection.

  • John

    these are all lame excuses.. he just needs better pyro and effect people who know and love the music not everybody is doing it like he is.. soon everybody will have prerecorded mixes .. well seems like some really want it ..

  • Sam

    From a, being honest, amateur perspective, it seems that these DJ’s are now putting more emphasis on producing and churning new songs rather than their live sets. Rather than a performance, we now get a showcase of ‘new songs’. Honestly, yes its disappointing to see but I won’t criticise till he stops churning out hit after hit.

  • ThatGuyOverThere

    Another message from Steve Angello to his haters: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjy_7haflaM

  • Team_dale

    mate im not sure if you’ve seen their sets in person (not saying you havent) but when i seen them they put on one of the best dj shows ive ever seen with a tonne of effort and i dont think i’d agree with them not putting as much energy in their live sets. 

  • JAYSONDARULE

    If you mad at STEVE ANGELLO because he used a Bootleg that contains “temper traps sweet disposition + Daft Punk – One more time” and so on, you can be also mad to AXWELL because they  all using that “Bootleg” as an Outro for there gigs. There is a recorded set from Axwell during the WMC 2011 at the Surfcomber and when he played exact the same track ”temper traps sweet disposition + Daft Punk – One more time” bootleg than someone throw a t-shirt directly to his cdj player and the music was stuttering, when he get back to his last song you can hear that is was premixed! BUT WHO CARES?! Its a bootleg!
    Check min. 46:11 on that mix you will hear it. 
    http://soundcloud.com/alimofficial/axwell-live-surfcomber-27-03

    But listen its just a bootleg including several trax in one as OUTRO, so stop that premixing story bullshit.

  • pat

    its easy to reproduce? he still came up with it. often the best songs are the simplest and easiest to recreate.

  • Sam Jones30

    Ive seen a couple with SHM, and gotta agree, their sets are amazing (and the highlight of many festivals). In seeing sets with them on their own, they don’t seem to carry as much ‘wow’ factor, IMO

  • manoo b

    come on the guy was more concerned of his hair than the set. there are live bands playing with fire works as well are they playing their i-phones!!!!!! we pay to see a live set not a prerecorded,edited set whicj tells u all u need to know about the dj, who hasnt gutts or confidence to pull it off!!! as for mixing without headphone a 10 year old kid can do that reading the bpm reader and using his cue points!!!
    it is an disspointment to see him not putting enough pride in his work as an dj!
    AS for his challenge, come on i would take hime on anyday and teach him a few trick in mixing, but he just dosent have the balls !is he worth 50£ ,well if you going there for the fireworks!

  • Petegdesign

    lets move our anger towards Basshunter, Steve’s a legend!

  • Djsole

    for those who think Steve Angello [Size Records] cant mix
    after that “Faking your Crowd Video”
    think again! (Used all 4 Decks to rip shit up)
    http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=385699708195&comments

  • Manobahar

    lo a another video somehow arrived!
    still it wasnt good enough to be nr 14 in mixmag list. i dont count my self top 1000 but that was easy given the state of technolgy which i use too.(ever heard of sync between cdjs, halfing loop, and using cue points, some reverb on mixer, he should maybe have tryied some timed delay as well, maybe a metalizer efx which is now possible on djm2000 and dont forget filters(on first des cal. trumpet where he hit the cuepoint he missed the beat a llttle nr 14)?
    well at least he looks commited in this video! thats is the key!!!
    well done SA please leak more videos of the kind!!! and ban  others with cameras in dj booth!
    the only thing missing from the first video (faking ur fans) was an toilet and news papers and him sitting having his relaxing time!

  • Alex

    Who cares! almost every famous house dj uses a premixed set.